Francis Collins, Barack Obama and the Envious

FYI: this post has been moved here.


  1. Why do you people refuse to listen to a damn word us evil evolutionists or godless say? No, we don't CARE about Collins being a Christian. NO-ONE DOES. What we DO care about, the reason for which we DO dislike him as a choice for the appointee, is that he keeps inserting God-talk and evangelical matter into everything he does.

    If he was able to separate his faith from good science and could actually run on a secular level, as any head of a science organization is supposed to, then we'd have nothing but praise for the man (presumably). It's his knack for putting God everywhere, specifically where it doesn't belong (in a secular system), intentionally and deliberately, that we see as unworthy.

    It would truly be amazing if you even know what you were talking about before you launched attacks. Totally serious here.

  2. RE: Francis Collins comparable to Albert Einstein, in their respective works and spiritualities!?

    Yet, Francis Collins has his own views on creation and evolution and could not easily be forced into the “Creation scientist” nor “Intelligent Design theorist” mold.

    I certainly would agree to that statement; in fact, I had compared “Collins to Einstein” as one modern biologist, who has had devoted his curiosity and integrity to solving human diseases through biomedical sciences (especially genetics), while without being sidetracked or dictated by his own faith or belief in Christianity!?

    I first came to know Collins in 2006, when I tried to analyze the renowned “Dawkins vs. Collins” debate in the Time magazine here: “Let's begin the Dialogue and Reconciliation of Science and Religion Now!” (PhysForumEU; November 11, 2006); and more recently here: “Let's begin the Dialogue and Reconciliation of Science and Religion Now! -- RE: Self-irrationalism (Scientism) vs. someone else’s Self-rationalism (Religionism or Faith)!” (PhysForumEU; May 10, 2009).

    Best wishes, Mong 8/9/9usct1:10p.

  3. I have only one problem with Collins.
    Hes an aweful singer

  4. Collins has many interesting views on a great many subjects which are interesting and have the potential to provide genuine insight to life, matter and everything.
    The common stupid notion that being "pro science" is synominous with materialist verificationist paganism is the only thing pushing this current wave of sentiment.

  5. Joé,

    Being a real Christian means putting God 1st in everything, b/c God is in fact the creator of the universe. It is irrational to remove God from arenas of life.

  6. @Rhology:
    Collins is corrupting the very institution – Science – that's supposed to be free of (and from) religious influence. So, no, it certainly is not irrational to remove God from Science. If anything, it's mandatory, for the sake of keeping an open mind and allowing any freethinking without any preconceived notions to reign through. There is no point to any science if one goes in thinking "In the end, it all lies with God".

  7. @Joé,

    allowing any freethinking without any preconceived notions to reign through

    You did a poor job of it in your comments, b/c your thinking is governed by your naturalistic presupposition.
    The solution - it's impossible to rule out all preconceived notions. Data is just data, but when interpreted thru a worldview grid, it becomes an argument. You interp data thru a naturalist grid. The big problem for you therefore is that naturalism is false. I interp data thru a Christian grid. It's a great place to be b/c Christianity is true. Collins mostly interps stuff thru Xtianity, sometimes thru naturalism. So you're throwing stones at the true position from a false one; you'll get nowhere. Good luck with that.

    if one goes in thinking "In the end, it all lies with God".

    This comment is meaningless. On Christianity, God created nature, and man can discover a lot about nature and about reality thru nature. But one must have the right worldview in place, or else one will arrive at bad conclusions.