On what EvilBible.com’s author refers to as the “few morons”
who are “so damn stupid” for defining atheism as “lack of…”
In considering the contents of evilbible.com, Atheism is Dead has previously posted on rape and the Bible.who are “so damn stupid” for defining atheism as “lack of…”
With regards to the history of atheism, particularly the definition of the term “atheism” and “atheist” evilbible.com’s author has something to say to those atheists who follow the public relations definition of atheism as “lack of belief” or “lack of belief in god(s).” Evilbible.com’s author seeks to correct those in what is perceived to be the folly of you “few morons” who are “so damn stupid.”
Indeed, one issue is that the history of atheism alerts us to when and how atheism’s various sects came to be. There are even certain sects that seek to excommunicate others and there are those who demand a one world definition of atheism and even one atheist symbol or atheism symbol.
For instance, American Atheist’s webmaster authoritatively declares,
“Atheists are NOT ‘secular humanists’, ‘freethinkers’, ‘rationalists’ or ‘ethical culturalists’…Often, people who are Atheists find it useful to masquerade behind such labels.”[1]
It appears that Dan Barker’s The Freedom From Religion Foundation is, at least in this case, more tolerant, in stating,
“Freethinkers include atheists, agnostics and rationalists.”[2]
The American Atheists have attempted to promulgate “An international symbol for Atheism.”
While the Atheist Alliance International attempted an “international symbol of freethought.”
The history of atheism is riddled with conflicts about just what is “atheism” as a concept and a word and thus, what is an “atheist.” In this case, evilbible.com’s author wrote an introductory page on the subject that is entitled, “On the Definition of the Words Atheism and Atheist.”
Evilbible.com’s author claims that the “lack of” “definition would include babies, agnostics, and people who have not come to a conclusion about the existence of gods.” Then the following are included in the list of the “few morons” who are “so damn stupid” as to define atheism as “lack of…”: infidels.org, atheism.about.com, alabamaatheist.org and en.wikipedia.org. Moreover, it is claimed that some such atheists have “used lies and distortions…and some have made extremely ignorant and grossly incorrect statements.”
Evilbible.com’s author writes:
A “lack of belief” definition is a bad definition for many reasons. It is not commonly used. It is not defined that way in any reputable dictionary. It is too broad because most agnostics and babies don’t consider themselves atheists. And it makes no sense for an “-ism” to be a based on a lack of belief.
These atheists are usually motivated to redefine the word “atheist” because they want to enlarge the definition of “atheist” to include as many people as possible, or because they perceive it to be an advantage in debates with theists. Unfortunately, some of these people have used lies and distortions to support their opinions, and some have made extremely ignorant and grossly incorrect statements that may reflect badly on all atheists.
In considering the history of atheism three groups are categorized:
Group A believes that gods do not exist (atheists).
Group B neither believes that at least one god exists nor do they believe that gods do not exist. This would include agnostics, babies, and the undecided.
Group C believes that at least one god exists (theists).
The question being “whether the people in group B are considered atheists or not.” Note that while “Many of the people who are pushing a ‘lack of belief’ definition call group A ‘strong atheists’ and call group B ‘weak atheists’” positiveatheism.org itself employs that “lack of” definition (read about them here and here).
As it pertains to the history of atheism; ever since circa 1876 AD when Charles Bradlaugh defined “atheism” as “lack of…” the atheists who adhere to that definition became a sect of atheism that is really agnostic but do not know it, or do not realize it, or do not admit it, or who knows what.
Yet, at least the modern history of atheism goes back a bit further as we note that the very reason that Thomas Henry Huxley coined the term “agnostic” [3] in 1869 AD was that he noted two extremes:
1) Theists positively affirmed God’s existence (claimed to know that God exists).
2) Atheist positively affirmed God’s non-existence (claimed to know that God did not exist).
Therefore, Thomas Huxley concluded that he did not posses enough evidence to positively affirm either position. Thus, he coined term the term “agnostic” (from Greek or “ignorant” from Latin) which he considered to be a middle position which was that of lacking knowledge to go either way, to either extreme.
Vox Day has provided a, shall we say, unique differentiation between “agnostic” and “atheist”:
…the following pair of definitions have proven to be useful in distinguishing between the High Church atheist and the agnostic.Agnostic: I don’t believe there is a God. Because I haven’t seen the evidence.
Atheist: There is no God. Because I’m an ***hole.[4] [expletive censored
Now, consider the words of Wired Magazine’s Gary Wolf who included himself in the following description,
we lax agnostics, we noncommittal nonbelievers, we vague deists who would be embarrassed to defend antique absurdities like the Virgin Birth or the notion that Mary rose into heaven without dying, or any other blatant myth.
Gary Wolf wrote:
At dinner parties or over drinks, I ask people to declare themselves. “Who here is an atheist?” I ask.
Usually, the first response is silence, accompanied by glances all around in the hope that somebody else will speak first. Then, after a moment, somebody does, almost always a man, almost always with a defiant smile and a tone of enthusiasm. He says happily, “I am!”
But it is the next comment that is telling. Somebody turns to him and says: “You would be.”
“Why?”
“Because you enjoy pissing people off.”
“Well, that’s true.”
This type of conversation takes place not in central Ohio, where I was born, or in Utah, where I was a teenager, but on the West Coast, among technical and scientific people, possibly the social group that is least likely among all Americans to be religious.[5]
Now, I know very well that evilbible.com’s e-address will be flooded by atheists attempting to both correct the error of rejecting the preferred definition de jour “lack of…” and also giving them what'fer for referring to the “lack of…” sect as the “few morons” who are “so damn stupid” who have “used lies and distortions…and some have made extremely ignorant and grossly incorrect statements.”
For that matter Gary Wolf’s e-address will be flooded by atheist who are pissed off at being told that they “enjoy pissing people off.”
Let me know how it goes, would you?
[1] THE WEBMASTER, Atheism — What It Is, and What It Isn’t, American Atheists
[2] What Is A Freethinker? Freedom From Religion Foundation, Inc.
[3] Britannica Online Encyclopedia entry for “agnosticism.”[4] Vox Day, The Irrational Atheist: Dissecting the Unholy Trinity of Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens (Dallas, TX: BenBella Books, Inc., 2008), p. 17
[5] Gary Wolf, “The Church of the Non-Believers,” Wired Magazine, (found here and here)



















5 comments:
I don't think it matters what group you belong to, you'll always get those who will shove their beliefs in your face and down your throat, Atheist and theist a like.
Pissing people off? I think its a matter of frustration in believing your right in the face of the obvious. I'm an Atheist, I think religious folk are just intimidated because atheist have been quiet for so long and now they have a sound loud logical argumentative voice to back them selves up with, Times have changed. The whole idea of religion is controlling people as a whole. One country under god, slowly losing control of their one umbrella under god and it must intimidate them something chronic!. Religious folk have all ways been defensive and history shows it, Atheist shouldn't follow the same path. I've wondered of the beaten path a bit, so anyway...
By the way my super power is "Time Travel"
Pissing people off in general Drunken Atheist.
The first time the word atheist was used, it was by a Christian; perhaps because infidel was reserved for use against people of rival religions and faiths, and of which many christians would gleefully see eliminated. I suppose a description, of some sort was necessary to rationalize the evil perpetrated against those, of their own heritage and land, who believe that supernatural agency is an earmark for ignorance. I do find it interesting and telling however, why this type of identification is even necessary, considering that most people christians believe to be atheists, could care a less. Indeed, most of them, having no belief in astrology, as well as with the existence of a godhead, would be equally unconcerned; the absurdity of being identified as an anti-astrologist, or more succinctly, an aastrologist?, says it all.
It seems most realistic to me that "atheist" is merely a term and not any dogmatic sect. To turn it into something so specific makes such atheists into the very people they claim to be different from.
When the letter "A" is added to the beginning various terms, such as Asexual, it means to be without. Asexual means to not have a gender definition, just as A-Theist means to not be any part of any Theistic belief or tradition. Not sure how any other definition can be expected of it without it being given to it by the individual.
As for me, I have no beliefs. I merely have my own perceptions, of which I have no expectation of others to follow. Humans have flaws, and this I accept. I have seen evidence of Astrology being true. But no evidence for truth in the bible. Such are my views.
Dear anonymous, I like what you wrote in first two paragraphs. However
As for me, I have no beliefs
wasn't thoroughly thought over, was it?
i think human beings ,in general , know exactly that God is truely exist but the majority of mankind tends to deny His existence just to have as much fun as the life can offer as possible from sex to self-desires to food to fulfill self-intrests without fearing someones watching , and remember God created angels with minds but without sexual desires and He created animals with sexual desires but without minds and He created man with both mind and sexual desires and put man in a harder test than both angels and animals and He gave one choice to man to be either lower than animals or higher than angels .
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