"(the parsed posts which not one single atheist dared to touch)" Odd. The intro generated 85 comments. After that, part 6 was the only one that brought the plebes out to tussle. Is that because you were so unrefutable, or that the worried comments for the intro were correct?
You didn't suggest boredom, indifference or a growing sense of futility as likely explanations. I was spending my time more productively over at http://icanhascheezburger.com/
All snarkyness aside, I think that I'm going to have to agree with Mariano on this issue. While words have a certain, shall we say, flexibility when it comes to meanings and for the most part this is a good thing (otherwise we would be stumped when there didn't happen to a word that precisely matched the thought in our head. there comes a point when a concept is stretched just too far. Theists often play the game of 'moving the goal posts', where they use a definition of the word 'God' as if it meant one thing and then, when shown that that concept is silly, say but that isn't what we really mean by 'God'. In this case, it isn't so much that he has moved the goal posts as that he has taken the goal posts down and said the goal is anything that you want it to be. This is certainly sillier than most religious stuff - but only by a little.
Modusoperandi, The I did not count the intro since it was an intro and I actually overlooked the comments on part 6--thanks for the reminder about part 6.
Most interesting about the intro is that they bit the hook and were so ready to lead the charge against what I might say about their sacred cow and then had nothing to say when they found out that it was not I making those statements but their cenobites.
"No this is not a post about the Scientific Cenobites (the parsed posts which not one single atheist dared to touch).
Most interesting about the intro is that they bit the hook and were so ready to lead the charge against what I might say about their sacred cow and then had nothing to say when they found out that it was not I making those statements but their cenobites."
Mariano, your quixotic heroics and self-aggrandizement would be an amusing story, were it not the sad reality.
In your little smut campaign against science, all you demonstrated was exactly what I spelled out in the beginning. Science thrives on healthy disagreement and internal criticism, and when scientists go bad, as even scientists are not immune against human foibles, they are corrected by other scientists. You really do not have an inkling. That's why nobody cares about your crusade against science.
Shorter Mariano: "Scientists aren't totally objective, they have egos and they're wrong sometimes. Worse, they even admit it! Their conclusions aren't absolute, and they're overturned with some regularity by new evidence and even other scientists. Take that, science!" There, I just saved you 20,000 words. Too late, unfortunately.
Shorter Adonais: "Science isn't perfect. The evidence isn't perfect. Scientists aren't perfect. Still, it has consistently proved itself to be the best way we have to study the real world, and it is leagues ahead of the horse in second place." Shortest Adonais: "Science works."
It's interesting to me that the atheists keep coming back for more, and that they can often come up with no more than pretentious insults or, "Mariano has a big ego." No biggee, though. It's fun to see them keep coming back just to deal with "irrelevant" arguments. If he's so off base, why bother?
The so called pastor here is a fascinating post-modern anomaly. Even atheists don't buy this "pastor's" line. This kind of thing used to be considered ridiculous, but subjective feeling and experience now rule the day. Words have lost their objective meaning in the larger culture. Even materialistic atheists will soon be irrelevant, due to their modernistic rhetoric. Christ will outlast all philosophys and trends, no matter how embarassing some church leaders become.
Blue3 saidIf he's so off base, why bother?Hey Blue3, have you noticed how many of Mariano's posts have zero comments? I think people are slowely realizing it's not worth the "bother".
"(the parsed posts which not one single atheist dared to touch)"
ReplyDeleteOdd. The intro generated 85 comments. After that, part 6 was the only one that brought the plebes out to tussle. Is that because you were so unrefutable, or that the worried comments for the intro were correct?
@modus
ReplyDeleteYou didn't suggest boredom, indifference or a growing sense of futility as likely explanations.
I was spending my time more productively over at http://icanhascheezburger.com/
All snarkyness aside, I think that I'm going to have to agree with Mariano on this issue. While words have a certain, shall we say, flexibility when it comes to meanings and for the most part this is a good thing (otherwise we would be stumped when there didn't happen to a word that precisely matched the thought in our head. there comes a point when a concept is stretched just too far. Theists often play the game of 'moving the goal posts', where they use a definition of the word 'God' as if it meant one thing and then, when shown that that concept is silly, say but that isn't what we really mean by 'God'. In this case, it isn't so much that he has moved the goal posts as that he has taken the goal posts down and said the goal is anything that you want it to be. This is certainly sillier than most religious stuff - but only by a little.
ReplyDeleteModusoperandi,
ReplyDeleteThe I did not count the intro since it was an intro and I actually overlooked the comments on part 6--thanks for the reminder about part 6.
Most interesting about the intro is that they bit the hook and were so ready to lead the charge against what I might say about their sacred cow and then had nothing to say when they found out that it was not I making those statements but their cenobites.
aDios,
Mariano
"No this is not a post about the Scientific Cenobites (the parsed posts which not one single atheist dared to touch).
ReplyDeleteMost interesting about the intro is that they bit the hook and were so ready to lead the charge against what I might say about their sacred cow and then had nothing to say when they found out that it was not I making those statements but their cenobites."
Mariano, your quixotic heroics and self-aggrandizement would be an amusing story, were it not the sad reality.
In your little smut campaign against science, all you demonstrated was exactly what I spelled out in the beginning. Science thrives on healthy disagreement and internal criticism, and when scientists go bad, as even scientists are not immune against human foibles, they are corrected by other scientists. You really do not have an inkling. That's why nobody cares about your crusade against science.
Shorter Mariano: "Scientists aren't totally objective, they have egos and they're wrong sometimes. Worse, they even admit it! Their conclusions aren't absolute, and they're overturned with some regularity by new evidence and even other scientists. Take that, science!"
ReplyDeleteThere, I just saved you 20,000 words. Too late, unfortunately.
Shorter Adonais: "Science isn't perfect. The evidence isn't perfect. Scientists aren't perfect. Still, it has consistently proved itself to be the best way we have to study the real world, and it is leagues ahead of the horse in second place."
Shortest Adonais: "Science works."
It's interesting to me that the atheists keep coming back for more, and that they can often come up with no more than pretentious insults or, "Mariano has a big ego." No biggee, though. It's fun to see them keep coming back just to deal with "irrelevant" arguments. If he's so off base, why bother?
ReplyDeleteThe so called pastor here is a fascinating post-modern anomaly. Even atheists don't buy this "pastor's" line. This kind of thing used to be considered ridiculous, but subjective feeling and experience now rule the day. Words have lost their objective meaning in the larger culture. Even materialistic atheists will soon be irrelevant, due to their modernistic rhetoric. Christ will outlast all philosophys and trends, no matter how embarassing some church leaders become.
Yeah, "christ" will outlast, only because you berks keep digging him up, metaphorically speaking...we'll see.
ReplyDeleteBlue3 saidIf he's so off base, why bother?Hey Blue3, have you noticed how many of Mariano's posts have zero comments? I think people are slowely realizing it's not worth the "bother".
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